Comments on: Java Rocks (and Sucks) http://www.landoweb.com/2009/05/06/java-rocks-and-sucks/ The ramblings of an almost madman Fri, 14 May 2010 15:52:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: John Sim http://www.landoweb.com/2009/05/06/java-rocks-and-sucks/comment-page-1/#comment-6637 John Sim Fri, 15 May 2009 18:22:50 +0000 http://www.landoweb.com/?p=247#comment-6637 Oracle owns Java!!! Next the world!! MWUHAHAHAHAHAAAA.... Oracle owns Java!!! Next the world!! MWUHAHAHAHAHAAAA….

]]> By: Landon http://www.landoweb.com/2009/05/06/java-rocks-and-sucks/comment-page-1/#comment-6622 Landon Thu, 07 May 2009 08:51:30 +0000 http://www.landoweb.com/?p=247#comment-6622 Yeah Groovy is well.. groovy. Grails is a pretty cool framework. There is something about it though that I just cant connect with. 99.99% of people may love it and it may do exactly what they want but I still feel something is missing for me and it also still runs on the existing Java server platform. I am not knocking Grails for one second - I have used it and know that it is very good. I am just looking for a whole new solution that is fast and easy to understand and capable of connecting to all the java goodies such as hadoop, lucene and groovy in a modular fashion. It would be nice to be able to simplify the whole setup of all these tools so that they are accessible to most developers to use. Yeah Groovy is well.. groovy. Grails is a pretty cool framework. There is something about it though that I just cant connect with. 99.99% of people may love it and it may do exactly what they want but I still feel something is missing for me and it also still runs on the existing Java server platform. I am not knocking Grails for one second – I have used it and know that it is very good. I am just looking for a whole new solution that is fast and easy to understand and capable of connecting to all the java goodies such as hadoop, lucene and groovy in a modular fashion. It would be nice to be able to simplify the whole setup of all these tools so that they are accessible to most developers to use.

]]> By: James E. Ervin http://www.landoweb.com/2009/05/06/java-rocks-and-sucks/comment-page-1/#comment-6620 James E. Ervin Wed, 06 May 2009 22:03:19 +0000 http://www.landoweb.com/?p=247#comment-6620 I have to make a quick comment, there are those in the extended Java community that understand. That is why there is Grails... Easy to get something up and running fast, but you are not stuck when you need to have the sorts of things that Java Web development can give you... http://grails.org I have to make a quick comment, there are those in the extended Java community that understand. That is why there is Grails… Easy to get something up and running fast, but you are not stuck when you need to have the sorts of things that Java Web development can give you…

http://grails.org

]]> By: Landon http://www.landoweb.com/2009/05/06/java-rocks-and-sucks/comment-page-1/#comment-6619 Landon Wed, 06 May 2009 14:36:27 +0000 http://www.landoweb.com/?p=247#comment-6619 Yeah maven is a good example of the excellent tools available. We use it at our company for pretty much the entire project lifecycle, but again it's an overkill for most projects. You need a degree in java tools just to fully figure the whole thing out (big exaggeration I know). I have taken a look at tapestry before and it does look nice but due to my past experience I have not given it a fair chance yet but I will definitely take a look one day when I can just play around with it for the sake of it. Django is very cool and its admin back end app comes in very useful. I have played with it a few times and I do like it very much. I have even helped out on a django project before. I absolutely think that Python is the best scripting language out there. Coming from Java it makes complete sense compared to others. Yeah maven is a good example of the excellent tools available. We use it at our company for pretty much the entire project lifecycle, but again it’s an overkill for most projects. You need a degree in java tools just to fully figure the whole thing out (big exaggeration I know). I have taken a look at tapestry before and it does look nice but due to my past experience I have not given it a fair chance yet but I will definitely take a look one day when I can just play around with it for the sake of it.

Django is very cool and its admin back end app comes in very useful. I have played with it a few times and I do like it very much. I have even helped out on a django project before. I absolutely think that Python is the best scripting language out there. Coming from Java it makes complete sense compared to others.

]]> By: Carl http://www.landoweb.com/2009/05/06/java-rocks-and-sucks/comment-page-1/#comment-6618 Carl Wed, 06 May 2009 14:04:16 +0000 http://www.landoweb.com/?p=247#comment-6618 Hey dude, I completely agree with you about Java being a PITA to setup projects. I've been using Tapestry a lot recently and it's much better than any other Java framework I've used. Once you get it going, it's really quick and easy, although you still have the overhead of programming in Java. It takes a while to setup though, unless you use Maven which I've finally tried to understand recently. Check out http://tapestry.apache.org/tapestry5/tutorial1/first.html . Having said all that though, for most things it is, as you say, overkill. So many apps (especially internal tools) are just ways of editing database entries really. That's why I'm keen to try out Djano and it's Admin feature http://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.0/intro/tutorial02/ when I next have a project to do :) Hey dude, I completely agree with you about Java being a PITA to setup projects. I’ve been using Tapestry a lot recently and it’s much better than any other Java framework I’ve used. Once you get it going, it’s really quick and easy, although you still have the overhead of programming in Java. It takes a while to setup though, unless you use Maven which I’ve finally tried to understand recently. Check out http://tapestry.apache.org/tapestry5/tutorial1/first.html .

Having said all that though, for most things it is, as you say, overkill. So many apps (especially internal tools) are just ways of editing database entries really. That’s why I’m keen to try out Djano and it’s Admin feature http://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.0/intro/tutorial02/ when I next have a project to do :)

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